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World Net Daily spent all last week trumpeting a story about how the Council on American-Islamic Relations planted Muslims on Capitol Hill, disguised as human interns.  This shocking fact was brought to the attention of the American people when Representatives John Shadegg (R-AZ), Paul Broun (R-GA) and Sue Myrick (R-NC) called a press conference to reveal the conspiracy, and to demand that the Sergeant-at-Arms develop a test to determine which, if any, House interns are secretly Cylons.  The distinguished members apparently discovered the plot while reading a new book entitled “Muslim Mafia,” published — in a bizarre coincidence — by World Net Daily.  The revelations must have come as a particularly nasty shock to Rep. Myrick, who wrote the Foreward to the book under the impression it was an exposé of organized crime and its traffic in fancy linens.


And given that WND has brought us tomes by Vox Day, Jerome Corsi, and those “Help, Mom! There’s [a racial/sexual minority] in my [alliterative storage unit]” books, there’s no question about the author’s veracity.  Really.  No question at all.


But when WND’s Congressional proxies were slow to follow up (it was a week before the glow of their panicky press conference wore off, and they remembered to actually go ahead and request that investigation they were calling for in front of the cameras), the story petered out, and Editor-in-Chief Joseph Farah was forced to leap on the Anita Dunn-Mao Zedong love affair.

What does it say about Barack Obama and his devout supporters that his White House communications director is a big fan of Mao Zedong?

Maybe it was a miscommunication (which I grant you, would be ironic) and she thought he was a porn star?  Sort of the Asian Long Dong Silver?  There’s a judicial precedent.

I know. I know. She said her two favorite philosophers were Mao and Mother Teresa. How’s that for moral and intellectual disconnect?

It’s almost like her mind can cope with two opposing viewpoints.  That way lies madness!

Did you ever think you would hear those two names mentioned in the same breath?

It’s almost as crazy as saying Adolph Hitler and Barack Obama without breathing in between.  Remember kids, the key to drawing an outrageous contrast is breath control — it’s like playing the clarinet.

Were there two people in the history of the world more opposite that Mother Teresa and Mao?

Felix and Oscar?

One devoted herself to saving lives. The other devoted himself to taking them.

Can they get along, without driving each other crazy?

Welcome to the strange world of Anita Dunn, Obama’s self-proclaimed media controller.


Anita Dunn, in undated file photo.

For those of you who missed her practically incoherent speech last June on this topic, I invite you to watch it, courtesy of Fox News Channel’s Glenn Beck.

Who has a Masters degree from Walla Walla College in Incoherent Speech Communications.

I want you to try to imagine what would happen to anyone who rose to the rank of White House communications director who suggested her favorite philosopher was Adolf Hitler.

Got the picture in your mind?  Good.  Now try to imagine it’s someone other than Karl Rove.

[K]eep in mind, when it comes to mass extermination of human beings, Mao makes Hitler look like a piker by comparison.

Mao is considered the greatest mass murderer of all time – killing between 70 million and 100 million people, mostly his own.

That’s why Hitler gets all the credit.  Say you were the highest scorer in the history of soccer, but they were all own-goals — you’d get a big fat asterisk next to your name in the record books, wouldn’t you?

Dunn insists now her speech was meant to be ironic.

And the right bloggers don’t do irony, because out of context remarks, taken literally, provide them with most of their material.  They do, however, have a firm grasp of heavy, schoolyard sarcasm.

Again, I leave it to you to judge whether a sense of “irony” would excuse a public official from making such a statement substituting the name Hitler for Mao.

Well, she didn’t, so to quote Crow T. Robot, “Don’t hurt yourself thinking about it!”

I can’t believe America is so fat, lazy, stupid and immoral that it could be conned by such a pathetic rank amateur.

…while Joe is barely getting by with his ads for electronic stomach toners, “secret” martial arts techniques, crisis seed banks, and home high colonic kits.  You know friends…Life was sure a whole lot simpler when you could just put opium, grain alcohol, or cocaine in the product.

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In fairness to Glenn, Walla Walla has one of the top five Incoherent Speech Communications grad programs in the nation. If you can make it through, you are practically guaranteed a Marks-A-Lot, a steady supply of cardboard, and a street corner. Or at least a job in newsradio or Alan Keyes’ House O Wacky Typefaces and Learn Secret Martial Arts Techniques To Stop Meter Maids Dead In Their Tracks ads.

Okay, is it just me? I have no love for Islam, really, any more than I am fond of any other religious tradition that teaches that people like me and the ones I love are something less than fully human (Hello, Christianity!). But it has been my experience that most Muslims, most Christians, and most people of any religion or lack thereof (at the risk of losing my misanthrope cred) are generally decent enough people who are less tied to random phrases from their holy text than to the notion of a loving god.

Plus every time I watch dingbats freak the holy hell out over how EEEEEEEEVIL nutjobs from some other religion that believes essentially the same things they do but with a different color donut diner hat (Red Dwarf!), I find myself even less inclined to believe those being hysterically slandered are coming to kill us all in our beds. In which regard morons like WND and our brand new troll are actually doing themselves and their religion a disservice. Anyone else get all contrary like that when bigots of questionable worldview accuracy start warning of the grave moral threat posed by other groups of bigots?

2 Tim. 3: 7

. . . always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1 Cor. 8:2

But if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he doesn’t yet know as he ought to know.

Allan, was that second quote intended to be you speaking to yourself? Because it fits just perfectly.

As for the first one: the only thing more impressive than quotations from the 4,000-year-old writings of a buch of goatherds about some Invisible Sky Person is sentence fragments from said writings.

You’re not even trying now, are you?

Why do the Christian types always seem to think that hitting you with a few random sentences from teh Bible is going to convert anyone or prove anything?

Also, where does Farrah get this “between 70 million and 100 million” stuff? The number I always heard was up to 50 million or so. Which is really bad enough, so I don’t know why Farrah feels the need to exaggerate.

Unless I’m the one who’s wrong of course.

David in NYC: Do you channel Bill Maher regularly or is your inner Garofalo drooling again?

(You see? Anyone can play the ad hominem two step.)

Let’s see if you can cut your chains and offer up something original and useful.

You first.

Chicago Comptroller:

Is that an oxymoron?

Christians offer Scripture in hopes unbelievers will open the book and read more, in further hopes unbelievers’ scales will fall from their eyes so they might see the Truth.

“For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.”

Hebrews 4:12

Allan -

I’ve read quite enough, thank you very much. That’s why I’m a Buddhist.

D. Sidhe and David NYC and Scott:

You know you guys are amazingly vicious. Brings to mind something Jesus said:

Matthew 5:22 (The Message)

I’m telling you that anyone who is so much as angry with a brother or sister is guilty of murder. Carelessly call a brother ‘idiot!’ and you just might find yourself hauled into court. Thoughtlessly yell ‘stupid!’ at a sister and you are on the brink of hellfire. The simple moral fact is that words kill.

“Is that an oxymoron?”

You don’t know what that word means, do you?

The simple moral fact is that words kill.

So when you threw around accusations of treason, you were actually attempting to murder us?

Oh, he’s up here too. Great. By the way, he’s cut and pasted the “vicious” remark AND The Message thing in response to me below. Dude, at least have some pride.

I’m reminded of another The Message.

Dont push me, cause I’m close to the edge
I’m trying not to loose my head
It’s like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under

Now if that was in the Bible, it’d be more compelling.

I’m amazingly viciously bored. Even the guys who come knock on my door to tell me about their god can carry on a conversation that doesn’t consist entirely of quotes.

See, this is why we’re not supposed to feed the trolls.
Starve them, I say! STAAAAARVE THEEEMMM!!!!!!!!!!

Those in Chicago are financially responsible? Oxymoron. “Chicago Comptroller.” Sort of like “liberal intellectual.” Sort of like “Executive Obama.” Those who like to quote themselves are easily bored, aren’t you D. Sidhe? Jay B. needs to acquire a head before he can lose one. Scott can’t seem to distinguish between a general discussion about treason and his fear he may be a traitor even though no one leveled a personal accusation. Breaking news Scott: it actually isn’t all about you after all! However Dr. Fraunkensteen can do something about the ego-maniacal monkey hump on your back! JoeBuddha is at least honest enough to admit he has learned all he cares to learn. Bill S. won’t cut in line because he doesn’t have one. And David in NYC is stuck in Real Time developing a professional porfolio as an Olbermann wanna be.

Your turn goons.

Oh wait. I have other questions for you. There is one thing God cannot control, one thing he has no influence over, and that one thing is love. Therefore, is he still all powerful? And if he is love personified, does that mean he lacks self control?
Finally, do you know why he cannot control love?

PS: to Bill S. You finally came up with a line! Great! I’ll take that as your surrender.

PPS: As a Norwegian, I love trolls!

Um, can I get some Matt. 7.1-5 up in this bitch?

Great advice Niels G. Take it!

“First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

You see? It’s all about being helpful! Can you help me here? You see, I’ve got this speck . . .

[...] We had even more fun with this sword fight. [...]

“Conservative thinker.”

“Rational fundamentalist.”

“Darkeness visible.”

“Intense inane.” (For you non-lit types, that’s Shelley.)

Oh, and your theology is pretty darned weak, too, if you think God cannot control love. Your terms need more definition, probably, but that would require some actual thought rather than mere parrotage, and thus is perhaps beyond your ken?

Dr. DRE!

You didn’t answer the questions. Is the Dr. out?

I’ll give you a clue: love can’t be controlled by God because you can’t _____________
anyone to love.

If God can control His own love (which, I suppose, He can, always granting His existence), then your statement (“God can’t control love”) is false on its face.

Technically, yes, God could force anyone to love Him. The grammar in your sentence is false–God is not “me” (“you” in your sentence, just before “can’t____”). An omnipotent God could do anything He chooses to do.

The problem is free will. God chooses NOT to make us love Him because in forcing us to do so He would make the love worthless to Him, since it wouldn’t be voluntary and coercion removes value from any confession, as a first-year law student will tell you.

All of this is subject to the proviso, “Unless you’re a Calvinist,” but since I would imagine you think a Calvinist is a fan of Bill Watterson, I’ll leave off now.

There is one thing God cannot control, one thing he has no influence over, and that one thing is love.

Who says? And why should I listen to that person?

It’s almost like her mind can cope with two opposing viewpoints.

Ironically, even! She must be a witch.

All righty then. I’m forced to conclude trollboy can’t tell the difference between what he says and what anyone else says. Because otherwise I cannot fathom why the random bible quote generator and thread jumping copy-paster is maintaining that I’m bored because I’m quoting myself. No, really, what? That shit is just baffling.

Sir, just because the voices in your head don’t sound like you, doesn’t mean they actually belong to the other people you’re talking to.

Dorothy. Kansas is east about one million light years away.

D.Sidhe, onward to baffledom!

Dr. DRE, kudos! However, I did not reference God controlling his own love, although that is another fascinating topic. Can he not love us? You nailed what I was driving at: love demanded is love destroyed, and thus, the entire universe is driven by love and free will, if we accept the proposition God is love.

You see!? We have more in common than we suspected. But why do you have to be so nasty?

love demanded is love destroyed, and thus, the entire universe is driven by love and free will, if we accept the proposition God is love
….someone’s been studying in the school of the good Pastor Swank

I think this trollus dingbatus was getting his ass kicked at Pharyngula a while ‘back.

AE: Reading the Babble, particularly the Old Testicles, is about the best way to turn someone into an atheist that there is. Works amazingly well. “What? He sent bears to do what to those kids? Why, a god who’d do something like this isn’t worth worshiping. He should be in jail!” Followed quickly by, “Hmmm . . . this sounds like something some control freak patriarchs dreamed up to control people and to make them insular and totally involved with the tribe! Maybe . . . maybe there IS no god!”


There is one thing God cannot control, one thing he has no influence over, and that one thing is love.

what about that rock he’s creating that’s so heavy he can’t move it?


God doesn’t answer stupid questions.


You are the trophy winning loon of this entire thread. No point even talking real topics with a door post. You have a nice forever.

Final thought for Mr. Scott Clevenger. The next time you consider whining about my presence here and my comments, just remember, you came to my house, kicked in the door, and declared war. You brought it. I’m ending it. You encourage the lowest forms of thought and behavior on this site, your ‘efforts’ are thoroughly without merit, destructive, and depraved. Wallow as you will.

God doesn’t answer stupid questions.

She’s much too busy – piss off!

You are the trophy winning loon of this entire thread

Aww, man! I never win anything!


Obamacare ward for the brain damaged is down the hall about 3,000 miles on your left. Better have somebody drive for you.

You don’t win anything because…you’re a loser!

any other final thoughts?

you came to my house, kicked in the door, and declared war.

paranoid much?
sounds like someone’s getting pissy about getting dinged for extra bandwidth

and at least you didn’t shove anything down his throat

You guys are like gnats: swarm a lot, harmless, and short-lived. What’s it like being so far down the food chain?

is that the final one?

God loves you, even when you’re an asshole.


Probably not. He hasn’t even done the “Aptly named World O’ Crap” thing yet.

And shame on you, Candy, clearly having people quote the bible at you has *nothing to do* with thinking about what it means.

The part that makes me saddest about these guys is, they say the same things over and over again, and yet they don’t seem to actually hear what they’re saying, let alone what anyone else is saying. There’s no communication at all, your only option *is* to point and laugh, even though the thoroughly reprehensible things he says aren’t actually all that funny.

I mean, occasionally you actually have sort of a discussion with someone and you can at least agree to disagree civilly, but this one is like trying to have a meeting of the minds with a Chick Tract. I never thought I’d say this, but I really miss Swank’s son. He had, you know, a personality and an actual existence and there was stuff we could think about. This one’s just a Turing Test fail.

PS. I think the correct saying is “Jesus loves you – everyone else thinks you’re an asshole.”

Ooooh, can I play?

We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children. But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves.

Deuteronomy 3:6,7 (NIV)

Vicious enough for you Al, or should I keep on digging?

Oh, man. I mean, I’m not one of the regular types around here, but I check in often enough.

But shiva h. vishnu! I go away for a couple of days and miss the whole party.

Heh, the Bible is infallible because it’s the World of God! We know this: it’s in the Bible! Hence:

“However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.” (Leviticus 25:44-46)

A Splendid Time Is Guaranteed for All.

[Obvious typo: "World" = "Word"]

Oh-shit-oh-dear! What does Allan Erickson’s god have to do with me? Why should I give a plague-flea-bitten rat’s ass about any of his claptrap? I’m not a member of his cult, nor any other that obeys the disjointed ramblings of imaginary friends. I’m a compassionate, rational, human being.

There is very good reason that there is no mention of god in the Constitution, not the least of which is that the framers were mostly not xian, but deists. Oh, and Jesus was a commie. He would not have voted for any of the major party candidates. Well, he was also not born in the U.S.A. If he does come back, it will probably be without documents.

Don’t feed the fucking troll.

Nobody’s feeding the troll. We’ve got a stuffed billy goat on a string and we’re dangling it off the bridge and yanking it away at the last second. Okay, it’s kind of mean, but, you know, troll.

“Go from the presence of the foolish man when thou preceivist not in him the lips of knowledge.”

…or, to put it more simply, “Don’t waste your time arguing with an idiot.”

a Turing Test fail.

I am so stealing that!!!!

Rich. D. Sidhe now wants civility! HA! Who isn’t self-aware? And heaven forbid anyone should think seriously about important matters. Wouldn’t want that. No. If you take your own advice Bill S., avoid mirrors, and blogs like this, packed with idiots slapping one another on the back, encouraging mass depravity. Butch reveals deep compassion with every letter tapped on the keyboard. The new poster child for disassociation month. And for Weird Dave and Sator, does the word ‘exegesis’ ring a bell, or is the ringing in your heads from another source?

Aaah, the indefatigable troll rises again. It’s a bit like dealing with the undead.

Oh, oh, oh! I had a couple other germane thoughts. I’d recommend you watch ‘The Passion of the Christ’ and read ‘Lord of the Flies.’ You’ll see yourselves in starring roles! The ‘Lord of the Flies’ reference requires no elaboration. As to ‘The Passion,’ there are two scenes which especially poignant and relevant: one, where the demonized children hound Judas, which is what will happen to Scott here the moment he wakes up and stops blogging to feed the addiction of sewer dwellers, and two, the scene when Jesus is first arrested and the mob turns on him, beating him, tearing his beard out, followed by the soldiers beating him nearly to death, scourging him, and driving thorns into his skull, then driving nails in his hands and feet leaving him to die in agony. He told us if we took a stand for him we would be treated likewise. Once again, the Truth tells the truth. Try as you might you cannot escape the essential facts surrounding the incredible life of Christ. He is the most influential person who ever lived, and much more, he is God. He invites you to live in paradise even though you spit in his face, because he made you and he loves you. Only God can love the unlovely like us. Only God could do what he has done and continues to do in the lives of millions of people, delivering us from sin and death, and giving us joy. Wouldn’t you rather live joyfully instead of living in this cruel, snarling, hate-fest you’ve created here?

Allan, honey, I don’t think you’re even capable of civility, I was just wishing you had a personality.

Why am I trying to explain something? Never mind. Once you make a Goodbye Cruel Blog comment, I’m pretty sure you should actually go away.

I’m gonna go dance a stuffed mouse in front of my cats. More rewarding for all involved.

I’ve already read the gospels, I’m not going to read an anti-semitic fanfic of them.

And yes, I’m a hysterical woman.

There are vast differences between dissociative and ironic, sociopathic and satirical, myth and history; trolls never seem to see that.

What is the sound of half a brain misfiring?

Butch Pansy

Is is to laugh watching self-proclaimed intellectuals simply regurgitate the drivel spoon-fed by commie professors.

Think for thy self, drone!

Looks like Scott has finally decided to edit my remarks. I wondered when his inner tyrant would be revealed.

You’ll see yourselves in starring roles!

Funny, when I suggested you could see yourself in your own quote you accused me of being Bill Maher and/or Janeane Garofalo. (Not confused about gender issues much, are you?) I would try to engage you in a battle of wits, but it’s no fun fighting an unarmed man.

And as for your various insults here, ad hominem and otherwise, you might want to take heed of your own book with the magical superpowers. Specifically, I refer you to Matthew 25:34-46; pay particular attention to verses 40-41. I believe that was written specifically for superficial believers such as yourself, particularly this admonition from Jesus:

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

One last observation on this topic for you, dear sir:

If God actually does exist, I think the best we can say about him is that he’s an underachiever.

Submitted as Exhibit A: Allan Erickson.

We don’t edit comments, Mr. Erickson, but you’ve had a fair chance to express your views, and I don’t believe it’s fair to force our other readers to navigate around screen after screen of boilerplate. So any further cut-n-paste comments will be deleted. If you have anything original to say — or even better, something germane to the current topic — please feel free to contribute.

Dear David:

Like your buddy Jay B. you miss the point. After five years in jail ministry I’ve learned with people like you, I have to fluff you up a bit in order to prep you to have any chance of receiving the truth. Thus, a little fire with fire therapy is in order to rattle your brains and open your ears sufficiently to have any hope of impact. Once I have your attention, I can give you some Truth, medicinal if you will, to cure what ails.

As to fighting an unarmed man, it’s an overused phrase, but how frustrating for you to continually lose to someone you consider unarmed. Just think what would happen if I armed myself!

“If God actually does exist, I think the best we can say about him is that he’s an underachiever.”

Woody Allen

So, not only are you silly and uninformed, you are a plagarist to boot.

As to the passage you mentioned in Matthew, great! I’m glad you are reading the Scripture.

I trust my confession of faith is working its way out in deeds: charitable contributions, volunteer work and so on. I trust the Lord when he tells me I’m sealed to the day of redemption. I hope you have that trust as well, but it would appear not, since you sneer at the Gospel and reject the claims of Christ. Ah well. All he can do is invite and encourage. It is up to you to believe and receive.

And just who works hardest to clothe the naked and feed the poor?

“Who Really Cares?” by Arthur Brooks


I see Scott. So if I quote scripture it’s considered cut and paste boiler plate worthy of your censorship, but if others cut and paste unattributed quotes it is considered altogether appropriate plagarism. Very well. Just so long as I know the deck is stacked. Your inner tyrant is now fully revealed as it should be.

PS: WND is a highly useful resource and you are to be applauded for bringing it to the attention of your readers.

PPS: Funny how you guys get your panties in a knot over somebody willing to take you on by quoting real intellectuals, sharing source material, and quoting scripture, but you revel in misrepresentations, slander, outright lies and vicious denigrations without the slightest concern for minor details like accuracy, logic or even common courtesy.

Mr. Erickson: Apparently you’re not familiar with the convention of the blockquote, which, as its name suggests, indicates a quote. I’m sure you’ll find many more typographic and HTML wonders awaiting you here on the World Wide Web.

Blog etiquette frowns on cluttering any comment thread with boilerplate, be it religious or political (but I repeat myself). Links are the accepted method for introducing lengthy sections of text into an argument. This is not some idiosyncratic standard I’ve suddenly devised for your inconvenience alone.

I’m sure spending five years in prison was difficult, but it’s clear the experience has helped you turn your life around, and I applaud you for paying your debt to society. I am, however, sorry to hear you were forced to fluff so many cons.

So, I’m a plagiarist for quoting Woody Allen? What does that make someone who has literally copied and pasted several hundred lines worth of text? An original genius?

I especially enjoy how you completely ignore the point of the Scripture I quoted. Do you really think anything you say or do (based on what we see here) is something that will get you off the left hand of the King? If so, which part? The hostility? The anger? The petty threats? The personal attacks on people of whom you know absolutely nothing? I am quite sure that your vitriol is not at all what Jesus meant by his ministry.

In particular, let me draw your attention to Matthew 22:36-40. If I may:

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Given how you feel about your neighbours — if we can take your rantings here as evidence — I can only conclude that your problem is an all-consuming, albeit appropriate, self-loathing.

Kind sir, you have my unending pity.

P.S. In response to your unending hyseria and allegations of, as you put it, “misrepresentations, slander, outright lies and vicious denigrations”, the suggestion above from Niels G. is one that could prove useful to you, were you to take it to heart.

P.P.S. Exactly at what point in this thread have you been “quoting real intellectuals”? I see nothing but copy-and-paste from the Bible, except for a passing reference to Arthur Brooks (no quote), who qualifies as an intellectual only in your perfervid imagination.

I wondered when his inner tyrant would be revealed.

more like “clean up on aisle 5″

Preznit: nitwit.

David: The greatest expression of love is something rebuke. If I see your house on fire is it an act of love to stand on the street doing nothing, or to simply walk away. You are headed for hell without Christ. Confronting you in your sin is an act of love. But I cannot expect you to understand that until you stop being so filled with yourself and with this hatred that appears to consume you.

Preznit: nitwit.

David: The greatest expression of love is sometimes rebuke. If I see your house on fire is it an act of love to stand on the street doing nothing, or to simply walk away? You are headed for hell without Christ. Confronting you in your sin is an act of love. But I cannot expect you to understand that until you stop being so filled with yourself and with this hatred that appears to consume you.

Mr. Clevenger:

You misunderstand. I did not serve time in prison, I visited the jail to conduct Bible studies, weekly, but perhaps you intentionally misrepresented me for the sake of ridicule? Seems your profession, if this blog is any indication. Just as you did when you misrepresented my remarks about traitors and treason and accused me of attempted murder. What an odd little fellow you are, Mr. Clevenger.

As to etiquette, ha! Etiquette? If Frank Sinatra was still alive, Mr. Clevenger would be running for his life.

Every word I’ve posted here is original, and where I’ve quoted someone I’ve attributed or provided the link, or provided the scriptural address.

You can dance around the fact you can neither contend on level ground nor resist the temptation to censor, but it remains a dance, and you sir, remain a miscreant.

I can’t believe America is so fat, lazy, stupid and immoral that it could be conned by such a pathetic rank amateur.

Boy, has there ever been a more unintentionally self-referential piece of insight than this one by Farah?

Yes, actually…

I visited the jail to conduct Bible studies, weekly, but perhaps you intentionally misrepresented me for the sake of ridicule?

Beeg SHMILE, Allan, BEEG shmile!

Oh…and before you go quoting scripture at me, asshole, I’m an ordained minister.

Lutheran, to boot!

Have fun squirming your mind around that….and uff dah!

Scott, don’t tell him my last name. It would be too much for him to bear…;-)

Dear actor212:

OK Pastor. I have a couple questions for you. What seminary issued your diploma? Is Jesus Christ the only way to salvation, in other words, is he God, very God? If a person rejects Christ in this life, where does he spend eternity?
Is there an unforgiveable sin and if so, what is it?

Oh. And PS. I’ve seen your blog. Wow. Another hysteric online!

Here is the world according to actor212, from his blog:

“Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things…every one! So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.” — Matt Santos, The West Wing

A television show! HA! A television show provides his guiding light. What a maroon. It would be one thing if he quoted someone on television who said something remotely accurate and worthwhile, but this drivel?

Simple question: Does it take both Republicans and Democrats to pass legislation? (Hello!?)

Actor212 taking black and white thinking and myopia to new heights!

Does anyone realize that Social Security and Medicare comprise 45% of the federal budget, and that according to former comptroller David Walker, Democrat, looking out about 50 years, we are about $60 TRILLION debt thanks to unfunded liabilities in these entitlements?

We cannot fix this broken financial picture. It is already entirely out of hand.

Democrats want to add more and more debt to the picture?

And Republicans are the enemy?

Pray that ObamaCare covers pre-existing intellectual deficiency disorder (IDD).

Actor212 will need the coverage.

…boy, that final thought looks good right about now!

Bottom line: there are three things operating here. One, you guys hate the idea of God because you hate the idea you are accountable, mistaking self-indulgence for freedom. Two, you all put too much hope in Obama, setting impossible expectations, and now that he is turning out to be just another shyster, you are deeply disappointed. You hate anybody who points out this reality. Seething anger seems to cover the disappointment as you sit fearful of being found out. So, you lash out with all kinds of accusations. (Spare us the accusation of racism. Doesn’t wash anymore folks.) Three, after getting a pass for years as you’ve attacked Christians and conservatives, you are not used to getting back what you dish out, and so, you think we should just sit back and turn the other cheek as we’ve always done before, and if we don’t, well, you freak out and become cry babies, or Tasmanian devils.

Step into the light, step into real freedom, and leave your hatred and anger behind!

bottom line = final thought, right?

nah, I was there once – nothing but cut and paste.

Hey! Actor212! Big tough guy! Where are ya? BEEG SCHLEMIEL.


A guy who can’t stop blathering on and on and on and on is accusing US of self-indulgence.

Big Bill S.! How nice to hear from you!

The man who actually used the word ‘preceivist’ instead of ‘perceivest’ without telling anyone he consulted Proverbs 14:7 for wisdom.

Why hast thou not departeth heathen?

Why hast thou not departeth heathen?

“Why have you not is leaving heathen?”

hmmm – I give up. why?

Dear ckc (not kc):

Don’t look now, but I think your wick has burned all the way through the candle.

“Why not is you not heavin’ leavin’ heathen, not?”

Poof . . .

Dear Allan:

Thank you for sharing your thought. Is it your final one?

“Departeth” is the present participle of “depart,” or the imperative.

“Departed” would have been right in 1611 too.

I’m so mean because I’m a terrible Christian and a hater of foolishness.

“What a maroon”.

Okay, this bears out Mr. Erickson’s claim that he quotes real intellectuals. But I do think it would have been politer to give Mr. B. Bunny his proper attribution.

The above is meant as mildly sarcastic humor, and not an insult, btw.

Theologically speaking, I don’t get why it’s all right, from Mr. Erickson’s POV, to jettison the injunction to turn the other cheek. What is the justification – and what are the criteria – for picking and choosing amongst Jesus’ moral pronouncements?

I’m interested by Mr. Erickson’s description of his prison counseling experience and his technique of shaking his prison clients – would they have been called “clients”? – out of their mindsets with tough language and aggressive comebacks, like a Zen master slapping his student.

Of course, a Zen student is studying with a master of his/her own free will, so the situations are different in important ways.

We all have our internal mindsets and habitual preconceptions. We can try to be as conscious of them as we can and to check their validity and their usefulness against realities outside ourselves (a tough task). The goal is to avoid being blinkered by them.

Unfortunately, Mr. Erickson’s catalog of “What’s going on here” that starts with “Bottom line” is an excellent example of a mindset about a group of people that could not possibly gibe with reality, given that the group is a large one. The opinions held by commenters here about (a) moral accountability, and (b) the abilities, policies and actions of Barack Obama, and the levels of their disappointment with him and/or anger at those who criticize him, must cover a very wide range.

Speaking only for myself, I see no necessary connection between belief in any deity and a sense of moral accountability.

Also – admitting in advance that this is an overused phrase – honey mostly works better than vinegar for general purposes of attraction. Compassion is a good and useful thing.

Remember, B. Bunny also said, “Dames cryin’ — dat’s my weakness.”

Oops – - guess that oughta be “jibe with reality”, not “gibe with reality” (though that last is an interesting notion, in its way).

Mr. Erickson’s catalog of “What’s going on here”…

..is a pure and unadulterated amalgam of projection and insecurity.

ckc (not kc):

As projection belies insecurity and pure is itself unadulterated, you’ve committed the double redundancy.

Poof . . .

1. look up “belies”
2. look up “pleonasm”

Oh Li’L Innocent:

Welcome to the party! Since you’ve arrived late, some background might be useful.

This blog’s grand wizard, a Mr. Scott Clevenger, came across my Oct. 22 American Thinker editorial and decided his time was well invested to attempt a ‘damn good thrashing’ to quote John Cleese.

Note the ‘thrashing’ here:


The lovely remarks following ran on and on for a time, and I decided to jump in and mix it up a bit.

I’m very glad to have compassion on those who need, seek, deserve or otherwise require it.

The Yahoos posting comment here neither seek nor desire compassion. Indeed, by their words, they rather crave the opposite.

As to your declaration you see no connection between belief in Diety and moral accountability, that leaves one to assume you are an anarchist, so we’ll leave it there, other than to say, there is no hope that will work out well for you.

A hurricane of chaos driven by moral relativism routinely drains a culture of compassion, leading to dry bones and mass graves.

Otherwise, no one is tossing out any of the Lord’s commandments. Cheek turning can frequently combine with rebuke and redirection couched in debate. I’ve done so here, often.

We are called to make peace, and sometimes that means war. We are called to be servants, not door mats.

A minor point as well, but worth the mention: the inmates I met with came voluntarily; there was no compulsion.

Finally, I find it intriguing your assertion we needs check our mindsets and preconceptions against ‘outside realities’ to avoid blind spots.

Prey tell me, how does one navigate with no way to determine North, that is to ask, how does one discover truths with no sense of Truth?

“There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, ‘All right, then, have it your way.’”

C. S. Lewis

I embrace the former, you the later.

We are called to make peace, and sometimes that means war.

3. look up Orwell, George

“There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don’t.”

- Robert Benchley


You are correct. Incorrect usage on my part.

Should have read: As projection is insecurity, and pure is itself unadulterated, you’ve committed a double redundancy.

Poof . . . Poof.

A hurricane of chaos driven by moral relativism routinely drains a culture of compassion, leading to dry bones and mass graves.

or (translated several times – h/t Google – for the international audience, and yet losing little meaning or impact):

“Disorder caused by the storm sewer is usually a culture of moral relativism
compassion, bone dry and makes the grave.”

oh, I forgot…


Incorrect usage on my part.

..sure, whatever makes you feel good.

Dear Dr. DRE,

We are all terrible Christians. We are all just pilgrims on the way.

Reminds me of the story told about Martin Luther.

After the excommunication, rumors ran about his getting married and drinking beer. His friends came to him saying, “Martin, you must do something. Your reputation is being destroyed. People are saying you’ve lost your way, you’ve become worldly. You must tell the people something.”

Luther replied, “Go tell them it is much worse than they imagine.”


There are two kinds of people in the world: the builders and the destroyers.

honey mostly works better than vinegar for general purposes of attraction [of flies.]

and as shown by Allen Erickson, nothing beats a coupl’a 25# bags of horse sh*t

There are two kinds of people in the world: the builders and the destroyers.

well, golly, I guess we’re up to around 6 kinds of people (not counting Republicans, and leaving aside permutations among the destroyers, builders, God-conversers, and type-of-people counters)

You see Li’l Innocent, we are dealing with toddlers who possess an unusual command of language, a tendency toward insult, no capacity for rational interaction, and little affection for common courtesy.

…and I forgot again


I don’t think Martin Luther was that funny, but it’s a good story.

…an unusual command of language

why, thank you!

…little affection for common courtesy
…sometimes that means war

war is heck, isn’t it?

War is hell.

You are heck.

(you forgot to say …Poof)

PS ckc:

A few posts back you indicated a willingness to give up. I think that is your best option.

…a willingness to give up

my best option? …with all common courtesy – shove it up your ass

Allan … Poof

(plus your apparently unlimited supply of incoherent and illogical rambling amuses me)

“incoherent and illogical rambling” has an element of redundancy in it – live with it, since you’re producing it.

“Prey tell me…”

Sorry, not eating me for lunch. Perchance the locution he was stretching for was “prithee?”


“As to your declaration you see no connection between belief in Diety and moral accountability, that leaves one to assume you are an anarchist.”

No, I’m not. Anarchism, in its original hyper-idealistic form, is not of this world – or to put it another way, it doesn’t work for people. I don’t know that any anthropologist has ever come across a human society that doesn’t have rules and standards of behavior.

You don’t have to believe in a supreme being to have a moral sense, to think through moral questions carefully, or to agree to adhere to a social contract. I’ve been an agnostic since I was about 12, an age when many kids become increasingly interested in questions of ethics and philosophy. At that point I read a paperback book on the great religions of the world, and realized suddenly that it’s silly to say that the Christian Nativity story – virgin birth, angels, guiding star, magi – is objective truth, while denigrating the stories of Gautama’s birth – the portentous earthquakes, the sages predicting the birth of a great leader, the miraculous conception in a dream and painless birth from his mother’s side – as “mere” myth.

I didn’t realize that compassion is only for those who want it or deserve it. I thought it was for everybody. But the basic point I was making is, if your purpose is to win others to your point of view, an attitude of kindness and fellow-feeling is likely to be more successful than one of criticism and name-calling.

The way I always interpreted the offering of the other cheek admonition was that Jesus was using a startling illustration to make the point that escalating aggression, of the kind that develops into generational feuds, can be short-circuited by refusing to reply in kind. It should be noted that the example he used was of two individuals of roughly the same status. Aggression of the strong against the weak is another matter. But I don’t think that there’s a bully/victim scenario happening here.

Getting back to Buddha and the “Zen slap” in relation to your description of using rebuke with the guys in prison to shake their minds up: I don’t think the situation of a convict can be compared very well to that of a free person who seeks out a spiritual teacher. Another basic difference is that Christianity is a proselytizing, preaching religion, while Buddhism is not; it holds that its path can’t be expressed verbally. The student seeks out the teacher, who may or may not accept him/her. There’s no attempt to go out and convert non-Buddhists.

You say your purpose in talking tough with the convicts was to prepare them to accept the doctrine you promulgate. When dealing with the kind of people who hang out here, people who’ve decided in many cases that they can’t go along with the idea of one religious Truth, that kind of tactic isn’t likely to do anything but generate volleys of competitive snark.

Finally: the concept of checking my internal assumptions against external facts is pretty simple, to me anyway. The ones that needs checking most, from an ethical POV, are the ones about other people’s motives and desires that buttress my own tribalist tendencies. So I get into a taxi in New York, say, and the driver is wearing a turban and a big black beard. Maybe I feel kind of uneasy. He’s so unlike me. Does he have an agenda? In pursuit of reality and conquering fear I do well to ask myself a few things: do I know this guy? Do I know what religion or sect he belongs to? Do I know what his personal, individual beliefs are? Do I know what his life is like, or why he decided to emigrate to the US? I don’t know any of this stuff, so I have no rational reason to suppose that he is a danger to me, or to anyone else. Unless of course I give way to simply being afraid of the unfamiliar … and you could argue that that’s the basis of most fear.

Your original post that Scott made fun of the other day included some statements about Muslims in Europe that were uncomfortably reminiscent of the kind of anti-Jewish writing that was current in Europe before WW2. “They” are plotting against “us”; “they” will overrun “us”, ruin “our” culture unless “we” take steps. (The same kind of thing was the bread and butter of anti-Catholic sentiment in the US from the Irish immigration of the 1840s right into the 20th century.) Hitler and co. took steps alright.

This kind of fear-driven tribalism is as old as human history; I don’t think it can be eliminated, but it can be fought against, resisted. The old Assyrian kings doubtless felt they were taking justified steps when they punished conquered rival cities by rounding up the men, cutting off their hands and feet, and letting them bleed to death in heaps in the town square. I’m sure they felt they were acting in accordance with established truth; their annals are full of praise for the powerful deities who helped them win their wars.

Well. It’s late.

When somebody points out my spelling errors, I crumble on the floor in a fetal position and weep uncontrollably.
Or else I just don’t give a flying rat’s ass.
One of those two things.
Usually the latter.

“encouraging mass depravity”? “panties in a knot?”
Why didn’t somebody call me? I didn’t know we were doing that. Those are my favorite things.

My opinion is the only people worth communicating with here are Dr. DRE and Li’l Innocent. They are the only individuals demonstrating thoughtfulness. (Although I have to admit, scripto, you crack me up.)

Li’l, you point is well taken concerning kindness.

As to possessing a moral sense, the Christian would say that is the conscience planted in every person, nurtured by the Holy Spirit. Christ clearly taught that only within believers can the Spirit reside. Consequently, only within belivers can the conscience thrive. Only within believers will that moral sense develop to fullness.

I know this sounds rather narrow and exclusive, and, it is. I used to hate people telling me there is only “One Way.”

I fought the claims of Christ for many years. I did not become a Christian until the age of 31, and even then, struggled with walking in faith for many years. It is still not always a walk in the park. It is call a rugged road for a reason. There is the constant battle between good and evil within, the serial assaults from the Enemy without, and the abuse directed by people possessing a special hatred for Christians, a growing population it would appear.

Still, joy remains.

As to Muslims and my post. It is obvious Islam is on the rise, and Western Civilization is in decline. My purpose on my blog is to share information. Back in the 80s I was working in a radio station interviewing various people and producing news programs. I met a man from Lebanon at that time, a pastor, an individual who grew up with Muslims in Beirut. He had pastored in Beirut. He even went in to help people during the civil war that destroyed that once gorgeous city. He was in his 60s at the time we met and shared his experience with Muslims, sharing their history and traditions. This man became a lifelong friend. His ministry focuses on Muslims. BTW, he predicted 9/11 and tried to warn the State Department, but like so many, they yawned and rolled their eyes. For years, this friend has predicted increased attacks from homegrown terrorists and infiltrators. Indeed, we see the escalation within.

Since that time I’ve done some study on the subject. Even a casual look at their history from the 7th century forward leads one to understand their culture always has been and expansionist warrior society. It is hardly paranoid to face the truth. This scholarly documentary might be useful.


The Danes know first hand the problems associated with allowing massive Muslim immigration. This is why they have severely tightened their immigration policies. Other European countries are doing likewise. The case of Geert Wilders should give everyone pause. Netanyahu makes a good point: when someone says he is going to kill you, and has for years killed your friends, you might think it wise to take the threat seriously.

Understanding the Nazi threat was delayed, resulting in global war, killing millions. Compassion requires we not get caught flat-footed again. 9/11 was a wake up call.

Taking stock of a real threat and understanding its source, its nature, and its methods so as to effectively prepare legitimate self defense is neither racist nor ethnocentric.

When a jihadist uses a weapon of mass destruction in one of our cities, killing hundreds of thousands, perhaps the point will be made once and for all.

Meanwhile, we don’t have the luxury to dance with these people. They have stated without reservation for centuries their goal of world domination. Why do we refuse to take them seriously?

I think part of the reason is we have bathed our minds in this idea we should embrace any thing and everyone, that somehow everything exists on a even playing field, that making judgments about what is right or wrong, good or bad, better or best, this is all somehow anti-intellectual, xenophobic, and anathema.

An interesting book on the subject: “The Closing of the American Mind,” by Allan Bloom, examines the problem at the university level, and of course, the problem now exists through our educational system, media, the arts, government and the courts.

Political correctness on steroids is a terrible problem. It prevents critical thinking and encourages the culture war, which, I’m afraid, is becoming civil war.

We all want solutions. We all want peace. We all want prosperity. And we all celebrate diversity, or should.

The question is: how do we best get there?

My approach with my blog has been to attempt to share information and accurately describe problems, for as they say in business, a problem thoroughly described is half solved.

Word-O-Crap blog is nothing more than character assassination parading as satire. It is vicious sarcasm and hate speech, contributing nothing to solutions, remaining part of the problem.

Ironic that Scott would accuse me of racism and bigotry as he promotes it in his person and on his blog. Conservative Christians are not the enemy, though I suspect Scott would agree with Chris Matthews, Robert Reich, Bill Moyers and others that Christian conservatives are just like the Taliban, trying to take over the world by installing a theocracy. It’s a lie from hell but a message promoted daily in the mass media.

What was that about the pot calling the kettle black, Scott?

PS: Although I realize it is impossible for some of you, try to understand, those of us who oppose gay marriage are not homophobes, we don’t hate anybody, we simply have a point of view. Personally, I have nothing against gay people. Gay men generally speaking are hilarious, and what a sense of style! It may astound some of you to learn there are many gay conservatives who object to most of the radical agenda. If you truly want diversity, I’d suggest you celebrate tolerance in more than one or two directions.

In my 56 years the most tolerance and love I’ve witnessed has existed within the Christian community, imperfect as it surely is…

Resource: “How then shall we live?” by Francis Schaeffer

“How Should We Then Live? was produced by a genius who cared about the battle of ideas. It’s also the book I still recommend to students for a quick overview of ‘the rise and decline of western thought and culture.’ Schaeffer brilliantly takes readers from ancient times through the Renaissance, Reformation, and Enlightenment, then discusses the breakdown in philosophy and science and moves on to art, music, literature, film, and much else besides.”

—Marvin Olasky, editor-in-chief, World magazine

Dear actor212:

I still have a couple questions for you.

What seminary issued your diploma?

Is Jesus Christ the only way to salvation, in other words, is he God, very God?

If a person rejects Christ in this life, where does he spend eternity?

Is there an unforgiveable sin and if so, what is it?

Allow me:
“If a person rejects Christ in this life, where does he spend eternity?”

Same place you will.

“Is there an unforgiveable sin and if so, what is it?”

Yes, it’s proselytizing in the comments section of someone else’s blog. I believe it is also illegal.

Al – I know even though your head’s all fucked up, your heart is in the right place so, as the World’s Worst Catholic™ (I don’t believe in God and I only go to church when someone dies), let me clue you in to a little something. I’m sorry to have to tell you this but unless you get right with the Pope, you’re going to hell. There is one holy, eternal and apostolic church and you ain’t in it. There is a 2000 year old pile of theology available to you that makes your Prot meanderings look like a fart in the wind. Hell, even some of the Episcopalians are coming on board. Now you’ve been told and you have no excuse. Go grab a Thomist and a Jesuit or two and get set straight.


Oh shucks. Here I thought you had a sense of humor. Sad to see you’re just another gremlin.

Illegal? Oh my. Another tyrant revealed!

Never forget Scott brought it.

You’ll find out about God when you die. Hope you have a change of heart before that day arrives.

BTW, Li’l? Given your remarks concerning Dr. Adams and PBA, the compliment about thoughtfulness? I take it back.

Allan, it would do well if you didn’t conflate all Muslims with “crazy wacko fundamentalist terrorists,” just as you suggest it would do us liberals well if we didn’t conflate all Christians with “crazy wacko fundamentalist theocrats thirsting for an American Taliban.”

That is all.

…the compliment about thoughtfulness? I take it back.

…bet that stings.

Something to say?