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Judie Brown, as you may recall, is president of the American Life League, which I think is the one that used that flashy red, white, and blue ball; an advisor to Pope Benedict; and “one of the top 100 Catholics of the 20th century,” according to The Daily Catholic. She probably would have made the Top 100 Catholics of the 21st century, but The Daily Catholic, as commenter Djur pointed out, is “a sedevacantist rag,” so they hate pretty much everyone who continued to Catholicize after 1962.

Ethics, morality, and in vitro fertilization

Shorter Judy: One of these things is not like the other/One of these things does not belong.

Shortly after my insights on the clinical problems with in vitro fertilization were published…

…in the prestigious and peer-reviewed forum of her own blog, where she offers the following clinical analysis: “While it is a blessing for these couples to have the opportunity to bring children into the world, we wonder if they realize that they are proceeding along a route that is fraught with danger and death.” But some of her readers don’t quite understand how the introduction of a turkey baster turns motherhood into a summer tentpole action film.

Subsequently, we have received a few questions about why American Life League so vehemently opposes in vitro fertilization. Many Americans do not understand Catholic teaching on this question nor do they understand how a couple facing infertility can actually find answers without going down the very costly path of assisted reproductive technology (assisted reproductive technology).

Oh. (Oh.)

In order to clearly understand why assisted reproductive technology is problematic, it is essential to know that the Catholic Church teaches that the child has the right to be “the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents; and he also has the right to be respected as a person from the moment of his conception [biological beginning].” Children are not chattel nor are they property.

Okay, but I was conceived naturally, and obviously nobody told my mother about the No-Chattel Rule, so maybe if I hadn’t been Conjugal Love Fruit she wouldn’t have made me go out in the yard every day and pick up dog crap with a trowel.

The desire to give birth to a child is laudable, but when technology gets in the way of God’s plan, it can have devastating consequences on everyone involved. For example, one researcher has documented that the hormones doctors use to stimulate the ovaries can have negative effects on the women to whom they are administered. There may well be additional clinical reports that address the downside of in vitro fertilization as it affects the woman — and subsequently her husband.

There may indeed be additional clincial reports that address more stuff — who knows? There may well be hormones so powerful that simply by being in the same room with you, your husband will begin weeping and watching Lifetime. (In case you don’t want to get out of the boat, the link above leads to a .pdf of a report by the delightfully named Inmaculada de Melo-Martin, who was (in 1998 when her paper was published) an Assistant Professor of Philosophy, St. Mary’s University, the oldest Catholic college in San Antonio, TX. In other words, she’s got unimpeachable hard science credentials which rule out even the whiff of a possibility of bias.)

However, the fundamental question is, what can a couple facing infertility actually do? There are several options available for those who understand the moral and ethical dangers of using in vitro fertilization but still desperately desire to have a child.

By an amazing coincidence, they all involve the advanced scientific breakthroughs of Catholic dogma!

The best option is NaProTechnology. The doctor who mastered this treatment, Thomas Hilgers, M.D., points out, “Most medical approaches today bypass the woman’s problem or simply override her natural processes altogether. With NaPro, we find out why the body isn’t functioning correctly, then apply treatments that work cooperatively with the body.”

Although Dr. Hilgers is competing with IVF providers, he points out that his treatment is much less expensive — because it’s basically just the Rhythm Method in reverse. (Said Dr. Hilgers: “If you have a clogged sink, are you just going to pray about it-or are you going to call a plumber?” He explained that he is not playing God, he’s just being used to bring about God’s plan.) You know, I had surgery once, and I would have felt a lot more comfortable in that operating room if, just before I lost consciousness, the masked man standing over me holding a knife had said, “I am an instrument of the Lord.”

The truth is that practitioners of in vitro fertilization do not work to cure the underlying causes of infertility because they are not motivated to do so.

All they want to do is help you conceive a child and bring him or her to term; they clearly don’t even care about unclogging your sink!

Dr. Hilgers’ studies — and those of others who truly want to help couples overcome their infertility —

– as opposed to doctors working in IVF clinics, who don’t truly want to help, and are only using their patients’ wombs to hide their teeny tiny Easter eggs.

– indicate that “infertility is a symptom of underlying disease.”

Remember girls: if, at any moment, you’re not pregnant, you’re probably sick.

As long as in vitro fertilization and its progeny bring in the big money, there won’t be a huge outpouring of support from the medical community for those who, like Dr. Hilgers, believe in solving problems naturally instead of using technologies that are fraught with danger and disappointment.

But when aspiring parents finally realize that IVF is nothing but a pseudo-scientific boondoggle, they will gladly (and financially) support the research of Dr. Hilgers and his team of menstruation-timing monks, who are on the verge of proving that by inserting a poultice filled with a thermometer, a tiny hourglass, several ground-up rabbit testicles, and the ashes of St. Margaret of Antioch into a woman, they can make her great with child.

If you know someone who is experiencing infertility problems, the very best thing you can do for them is recommend that they contact the Pope Paul VI Institute.

Press “1″ if you are suffering from the disease of nonpregnancy. Press “2″ if you are possessed by Satan. Press “3″ if you are pregnant, but your fetus is possessed by a lesser demon. Press “4″ for Billing.

33 Responses to “In Case of Fertilization, Break Glass”

That’s really unbelievable, considering that any couple who want to breed & bravely give it a shot for a few mos. w/o result will have no doubt tried every natural, cycle-counting, temperature-checking method, up to & including weird positions, before plunking down the big bucks for basting.

Any mention of, oh, men who might not be producing in the reproduction dep’t. in Mrs. Brown’s little advert? Didn’t think so.

Stop me before I answer my own question (Ick!) but wouldn’t it be a sin for a Catholic to “donate” for a sperm count anyway?

Does she… not realize… Oh, I should probably just stop there, right?

But seriously,how does she not know this: no one goes out and gets IVF on a lark, especially not with the no-insurance-coveraged $10-15,000 price tag it runs in the US. They do it because all the other attempts, overseen by a doctor no less, failed. Much to — for instance — one of my friend’s dismay, sometimes no attempt to treat infertility works. (Including, in her case, the IVF, sadly.)

Also, if you’re going to encourage people to avoid IVF, how about encouraging them to adopt all those babies you don’t think should be aborted? Is a little consistency too much to ask here? (I know: yes.)

“If you know someone who is experiencing infertility problems, the very best thing you can do for them is recommend that they contact the Pope Paul VI Institute.”

Because if anyone is an expert in conceiving children, it’s a religious organisation sworn to celibacy.

Shortly after my insights on the clinical problems with in vitro fertilization were published…

So Twitter has opened a publishing house?

Many Americans do not understand Catholic teaching on this question nor do they understand how a couple facing infertility can actually find answers without going down the very costly path of assisted reproductive technology (assisted reproductive technology).

Scientists at the Pope Paul Institute at the State College of Medicine, Pharmacy, and Exorcism at Vatican U. have put yeoman hours in, burning incense and porking altar boys.

The best option is NaProTechnology. The doctor who mastered this treatment, Thomas Hilgers, M.D.

He has a beautiful fall line of clothes in stores now, by the way.

The truth is that practitioners of in vitro fertilization do not work to cure the underlying causes of infertility because they are not motivated to do so.

So let me get this straight: if you can’t have a kid without assistance, which is basically God’s way of building in a family planning element to your life, then for some reason the Catholic Church feels this is UNnatural, but if you are fertile and want to circumvent God’s plumbing, then that, too is UNnatural.

Me cornfoosed!

As long as in vitro fertilization and its progeny bring in the big money, there won’t be a huge outpouring of support from the medical community for those who, like Dr. Hilgers, believe in solving problems naturally instead of using technologies that are fraught with danger and disappointment.

Right, because every woman on the planet is more eager to have an egg shoved up her vagina than to try to just, you know, conceive.

If you know someone who is experiencing infertility problems, the very best thing you can do for them is recommend that they contact the Pope Paul VI Institute.

Fuck me, I’m psychic!

From Inmaculada de Melo-Martin’s paper: “According to empirical evidence, risks to women undergoing IVF treatment vary from simple nausea to death.”

And according to other empirical evidence, risks to women undergoing pregnancy vary from simple nausea to death.

Press “1″ if you are suffering from the disease of nonpregnancy. Press “2″ if you are possessed by Satan. Press “3″ if you are pregnant, but your fetus is possessed by a lesser demon. Press “4″ for Billing.

You forgot “If you’re thinking of having an abortion, press 5″, said in a super-sad, regretful voice by options lady, kind of like when she says “If you wish to disconnect your service” when you call the cable company. That always cracks me up. It sounds like the poor woman is gonna cry.

“Stop me before I answer my own question (Ick!) but wouldn’t it be a sin for a Catholic to “donate” for a sperm count anyway?”

No. As long as you don’t enjoy it. If you do, a couple of Hail Marys will clear things up. Unless, of course, you fantasize about the Virgin Mary. Then you have strayed into mortal sin territory and need to go to Confession. No need to get too specific and embarrass yourself – it’s all covered under the bad thoughts provision of Canon Law.

Since I’m cranky today, I’ll just go along with the preconceived (!) notion achieved by seeing her photo that she’s a screechy bitch ready and eager to pry into everyone else’s life, especially if they’re about to fuck things up, i.e., not do things her way.

Children are not chattel nor are they property.

Unless you’re a Catholic priest.

Cheap shot aside, wtf *is* this? Was this woman actually raised Catholic? Because they absolutely do regard their kids as property. They’re not alone in that, I grant you, most parents do. But holy hell, the Bible says you should kill your kids if they are so defective as to talk back to you. The whole baptism thing? That’s about making your kid God’s property. In my experience, the only time Catholics regard children as people rather than property is when someone else is trying to get an abortion.

And I love that “natural” fertility methods thing. I’ve never tried to get pregnant, quite the opposite in fact, but even I can see how fucking stupid that is. It’s like asking me if I’ve tried Tylenol. OF COURSE you try the cheap and readily available stuff first. Particularly over something as private as infertility. You sure as hell don’t start making appointments for you and your husband to both get time off work together so you can go see a fertility specialist if you haven’t already bought every “ovulation monitoring” test and every “how to conceive” book on the shelf.

You know what always drove me nuts about the Catholics I grew up with? Most of them never seemed to grasp that empathy was not the same as pity, and that help involves more than a lecture.

Weird. I’m in moderation. Well, I know I’m immoderate, but, hell…

At least your Mom gave you a trowel.

Unless, of course, you fantasize about the Virgin Mary.

When Jesus fapped as a teenager, did he fantasize about Mom? You know, popping her cherry and all that?

“If you know someone who is experiencing infertility problems, the very best thing you can do for them is recommend that they contact the Pope Paul VI Institute.”

Because if anyone is an expert in conceiving children, it’s a religious organisation sworn to celibacy.

ESPECIALLY one that prefers violating the vows of celibacy with 12-year-old altar BOYS.

If that doesn’t prove their expertise, then I don’t know what does.

Don’t mind me, I’ll just be over in the corner, dunking my fucking head in that 50-gallon vat of clorox, and sending the invoices to Actor.

Filthy bastid. What, cath-licks ALONE aren’t perverted ENOUGH?!??!?! You just haaaaddddda go into fucking V.C. ANDREWS TERRITORY, didntcha??!?!?!

Wish that I could just reach into my eye sockets with my fingernails and peel my fucking corneas out. It’d save a lot of lung-cookies from inhaling the clorox fumes…

Oh, and I canNOT be the only person to observe that this frigid old sociopath has NEVER even THOUGHT about an orgasm, let alone ever HAD one, right?

Must suck to hate all other women so much, especially since it’s pretty obvious that no man has ever ENJOYED that… Not saying that they haven’t tried, just saying that they snuck out without leaving the $20 on the nightstand.

I think SHE’D have to pay THEM.
But she seems stupid enough to try and haggle.

I’m sorry…the Jesus fapping image was too outré?

I’m just glad I didn’t bring St Peter in the gimp suit into it…

So every child deserves to be the fruit of conjugal love. So I guess if the parents are just two unmarried horny bastards then what?
Plus, how is a child conceived in-vitro not a product of conjugal love? Seems they’re more a child of love than a child conceived one night from strawberry margaritas.

Here’s the summary of NaPro from Hilger’s Website:

The Goals of NaProTECHNOLOGY in Infertility

A NaProTECHNOLOGY approach to the infertile couple has the following goals:

It works towards assessing the underlying causes of the reproductive abnormality.
It allows for the treatment of these underlying causes.
It assists the couple in achieving pregnancy while maintaining the natural acts of procreation.
If the treatment program is unsuccessful, research into the unknown causes is undertaken.
If medically unsuccessful, the program will assist with successful family building by being supportive of adoption.

It boils down to this: check for ovulation, check for sperm production, and time the fucking for the most fertile time of the month. If that doesn’t work, look for other problems. Nothing fixable? Adoption!

This is basic infertility counselling. I’ve done it my self. It’s the patients who don’t get pregnant that need more specialized fertility care, including IVF. NaPro has nothing to offer the patients who need IVF to conceive.

And tried adopting recently? More costly than IVF and frequently more emotionally draining.

I’m OK with Hilger putting patients through this, but when NaPro doesn’t result in pregnancy he’s unethical if he doesn’t inform them that there are other successful ways of conceiving and bearing a child.

I’m reminding of the scene early in Catch 22 when Doc Daneeka shows the young infertile couple his models of the gentalia and it’s obvious they didn’t know you had to put “that” in “there”…

“reminded” Sorry.

It boils down to this: check for ovulation, check for sperm production, and time the fucking for the most fertile time of the month.

Um, isn’t that the rhythm method, only in reverse?

They do it because all the other attempts, overseen by a doctor no less, failed.

Also because the current clinical definition of ‘infertile’ includes about 1 in 10 women. Humans are not particularly fecund, and there’s a lot of biological variation in fecundity. The 12-month limit is chosen basically because it’s the point at which the statistical number of conceptions expected to occur in the given period is 1.

I’ve done work for fertility doctors, and although some of them are fine, there is definitely a significant minority who do everything they can to scare women into forking over as much dough as possible.

I don’t care to defend IVF, but it’s depressing that the only viable argument against it is being made is that it tampers in God’s domain by manipulating His Most Precious Gift, spooge.

Luv n such for linking to my poor blog, scott. Maybe it’s time that I actually write something for it.

Bill: DUH. It’s a metaphor, hon. And no, I don’t think that she COULD pay a man to do her raggedy old bones, welllll… okay, if we set her up with one of my man-ho exes, and there was a LOT of money involved… but it would HAVE to be a WHOOOOOLE LOTTA MONEY. And a/c-current power tools.

Actor: Keep the gimp suit to yerself, hon, I know how much you enjoy that full-body latex…

Um, isn’t that the rhythm method, only in reverse?

Cue references to “backdoors” and “It’s Not the Meat It’s the Motion.”

“Most medical approaches today bypass the woman’s problem or simply override her natural processes altogether. With NaPro, we find out why the body isn’t functioning correctly, then apply treatments that work cooperatively with the body.”

That sounds suspiciously like the ads for those amazing medical breakthroughs that the medical establishment wants to hide from us, like copper bracelets for arthritis or homeopathy for anything that ails you. In other words, quackery.

Rugosa: These are people who think that pedophile priests are being “persecuted.” Quackery is hardly the worst thing that they are guilty of committing; it prolly comes to them easier than breathing through their mouths.

…wouldn’t it be a sin for a Catholic to “donate” for a sperm count anyway?

That’s an interesting point – cuz as I understand it, the anti-wank philosophy was traditionally based on the story of Onan, who “spilled his seed on the ground”. He’d been ordered by his father to make his late brother’s wife pregnant, but didn’t want to comply, because the child wouldn’t really be considered his own; so he practiced withdrawal. Yahweh took offense, and killed him. Generalizing forward from Yahweh’s displeasure, apparently Christian thinking concluded, at least through the 19th century, that any behavior that involved semen going anyplace other than into the purposed ladyparts automatically courted the lightning bolt, or fatal boils, or perhaps a nasty encounter with a runaway tram. OTOH, intention usually comes into it, at least with some Christians – and if your intention is to produce half of a conception, aren’t you doing what God wants?

But the Lord of Hosts is a capricious fellow, and his instruction manual reads like it’s been translated from other translations about 60 times over. Which, funnily enough, it has.

Annti, I had another theory on how this mutant could get let, but it was so disgusting I actually made myself sick.
Lil’ Innocent, the story gets even more depraved than that: after Onan dies, his sister-in-law (I think her name is Tamar, but I could be wrong) goes to another town and disguises herself as a prostitute. Onan’s father (who, for reasons that go unexplained) fails to recognize her, has sex with her, and gets her pregnant. When she returns home, he, at first, threatens to have her burned alive, until she proves the baby is his.
There’s a lot of incredibly fucked-up people in the Bible. The kind who’d get turned down by Springer for being too out-there.

Bill, y’ever notice that the people who DO make it onto springer generally are generated by bibul-bangin’ hillbillies? Where do you think that they GET the idea to start coupling with the farm animals? It’s not ALWAYS handed-down as a family tradition, after all…

I figured Springer out years ago: he got picked-upon, A LOT, as a nerdy little kid, by large, brutish, violent, ig’nant hillbillies from Kentucky, hence he’s built a dynasty by publicly humiliating the people who pantsed him in second grade and duct-taped him to the flagpole.

Interesting theory, but he was born in England and raised from age 5 in Queens, New York. So the assholes he encountered weren’t of the hillbilly kind.

Actor: Keep the gimp suit to yerself, hon, I know how much you enjoy that full-body latex…

HMPH!

Leather, I’ll have you know!

Bill, why would a New Yorker move TO Cincinnati?!??!!? Ugh. Talk about self-destructive.

And Actor, if you can afford full-body leather AND that sweet joint on the island, then you ought to be SHARING, muthafuckah.

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